ANNOUNCER: TONIGHT ON SHOWCASE WITH BARBARA KELLAR, PHILANTHROPISTS HARRY AND LINDA FATH.

STAY TUNED.

SHOWCASE STARTS RIGHT NOW.

[MUSIC] KELLAR: HI, I'M BARBARA KELLAR.

WELCOME TO SHOWCASE.

WE HAVE TWO VERY SPECIAL GUESTS TODAY, LINDA AND HARRY FATH.

SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW THEM, SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF THEM, BUT ALL EVERYBODY LOVES THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE WONDERFUL PEOPLE, THEY'VE BEEN FRIENDS OF MINE.

AND ALL THIS, LINDA, USED TO BE AROUND FOR THINGS HERE AT THE STATION.

AND THEY HAVE WONDERFUL THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING IN THEIR LIVES, AND WE WANT TO HEAR ALL ABOUT IT.

SO, HARRY, CAN YOU JUST.

WERE YOU BOTH NATIVE CINCINNATIANS?

LINDA: NO, I'M FROM AKRON, OHIO, AND GREW UP THERE.

KELLAR: OKAY, WELL, LET ME ASK HARRY FIRST, AND THEN I'LL ASK YOU.

YOU GREW UP IN CINCINNATI, RIGHT?

HARRY: I DID.

KELLAR: AND YOU WENT TO XAVIER?

HARRY: I WENT TO ST. XAVIER HIGH SCHOOL.

KELLAR: WHERE DID YOU GO TO GRADE SCHOOL?

HARRY: MY FIRST SIX YEARS ST. CATHERINE IN WESTWOOD AND MY LAST TWO YEARS ST. ANTONINUS IN WESTERN HILLS.

KELLAR: SO YOU'RE A WEST HIGH GUY?

HARRY: I AM.

KELLAR: I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

OKAY.

AND THEN YOU WENT TO XAVIER.

HARRY: ST. XAVIER HIGH SCHOOL.

KELLAR: AND THEN?

HARRY: I WENT TO NOTRE DAME, AND I WENT TO THE MILITARY.

AND THEN I WENT TO LAW SCHOOL AT UNIVERSITY OF CINCINNATI.

AND THEN I STARTED IN THE MEAN, BAD WORLD.

KELLAR: YES.

HOW LONG WERE YOU STRICTLY A LAWYER?

HARRY: I'D SAY IN TOTAL, MAYBE 7 OR 8 YEARS, BUT I STARTED -- I BOUGHT MY FIRST SIX UNITS ABOUT THREE YEARS INTO MY LEGAL CAREER, AND SO I STARTED BUILDING THAT UP.

AND I REACHED A POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, I ENJOYED THAT SO MUCH, I QUIT ANY KIND OF LAW WORK AT ALL?

KELLAR: YEAH.

THE REST IS HISTORY.

HARRY: THE REST IS HISTORY.

KELLAR: YEAH.

LINDA?

YOU GREW UP -- LINDA: SO, I GREW UP IN AKRON, OHIO, ACTUALLY, OUTSIDE THERE.

AND THEN I WENT TO OHIO STATE.

AND THEN I WAS GOING TO MOVE TO BOSTON, THE BIG CITY, BUT I MADE A STOP OFF IN CINCINNATI FIRST AND MET HIM.

KELLAR: THAT'S WHY YOU MET EACH OTHER.

LINDA: AGAIN, ONCE AGAIN, THE REST IS HISTORY.

SO, YEAH.

SO THIS IS REALLY HOME.

KELLAR: YEAH.

DID YOU MEET AT A PARTY OR WHERE?

LINDA: EXACTLY, AT A PARTY, YES, THROUGH A MUTUAL FRIEND.

YEAH, SHE SAID HE WAS THE MOST ELIGIBLE GUY IN THE ROOM.

AND I THOUGHT, OKAY, I CAN -- KELLAR: AND SHE WAS RIGHT.

YES, SHE WAS RIGHT.

LINDA: WELL, I DON'T KNOW.

AT THE TIME, THAT WAS IN 1969.

HARRY: NO, IT WAS ACTUALLY, IT HAD JUST TURNED 1970.

LINDA: YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

HARRY: I WAS MAKING $100 A WEEK, SO.

LINDA: AND I WAS MAKING $250, SO THERE YOU GO.

KELLAR: SO THAT'S WHY HE MARRIED YOU, BECAUSE YOU WERE SO MUCH BETTER OFF THAN HIM.

LINDA: FOR THE MOMENT.

FOR THE MOMENT.

KELLAR: ABSOLUTELY.

YEAH.

SO THE REST IS HISTORY.

AND THEN YOU'VE STAYED HERE EVER SINCE.

HARRY: RIGHT.

LINDA: THIS IS HOME.

YEAH.

KELLAR: AND NOW YOUR CAREER HAS SEGUED FROM LAW TO REAL ESTATE TO DOING GREAT THINGS FOR GREAT -- FOR GREAT CAUSES.

HARRY: WELL, YOU KNOW, I STARTED AND I BOUGHT THE FIRST PROPERTY WHEN I WAS 31, AND BY AGE 40, YOU KNOW, I HAD ABOUT 300 UNITS.

AND I HAD CONFIDENCE THAT I KNEW WHAT I WAS DOING AND THAT I COULD CONTINUE TO IMPROVE THE BUSINESS.

BUT I ALSO WANTED TO NOT HAVE ON MY DEATHBED ALL I DID WAS MADE MONEY.

AND SO I GOT ATTRACTED TO, AND I LOVED CINCINNATI AND I WANTED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.

SO I GOT INVOLVED WITH THE ARTS.

I GOT ON THE OPERA BOARD AND THEN INNER-CITY SCHOOL BOARD, CISE, AND I JUST WENT FROM THERE.

AND FELT MY WAY ALONG AND EVENTUALLY GOT ON THE SYMPHONY BOARD AND THE TWO ART MUSEUM BOARDS AND MANY OTHER ORGANIZATIONS.

AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST LIKE PROJECTS.

EVEN AS A LITTLE KID, I LIKED PROJECTS.

AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE FIRST SIX UNITS I BOUGHT, I JUST WANTED TO FIX THEM UP.

KELLAR: YEAH.

HARRY: AND THEY WERE VERY POORLY WELL KEPT, TAKING CARE OF AND POORLY MANAGED.

AND I JUST WANTED TO FIX THEM UP.

AND I LOOK BACK NOW, I'M 83, I LOOK BACK AND I JUST REALLY LIKE PROJECTS AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE ORGANIZATIONS I GOT IN, I WAS A VERY DISCIPLINED BUSINESSMAN.

AND I GET IN ALL THESE NONPROFITS, AND I DIDN'T LIKE THE WAY THEY WERE OPERATING.

THEY COULD DO A LOT BETTER.

AND THEY NEED TO GET MORE DONORS, AND DONORS HAVE TO GIVE MORE MONEY.

AND I GOT INVOLVED IN THAT STUFF.

KELLAR: YEAH.

HARRY: AND I FOUND OUT THE SAME POLICIES YOU HAVE TO RUN A BUSINESS CAN APPLY TO NONPROFITS ALSO.

KELLAR: CAN AND SHOULD.

HARRY: AND SHOULD.

SO ANYWAY, THAT'S IT IN A NUTSHELL.

KELLAR: YEAH, AND THE REST IS HISTORY.

BUT YOU ARE INVOLVED IN SO MANY DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT EFFORTS TO HELP PEOPLE AND SO MANY CHILDREN AND ADULTS AND IN THE ARTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THIS, BUT, LINDA, YOU'VE SORT OF -- YOU'VE HAD YOUR OWN INTERESTS.

LINDA: WELL, WHILE HE'S DOING THAT, BEING ON BOARDS AND HELPING NONPROFITS, I WAS INVOLVED IN SEVERAL ORGANIZATIONS, ART AND OTHERWISE, AND I WAS A DOCENT AT THE TAFT MUSEUM, WHICH I LOVED FOR A VERY LONG TIME, GREATER CINCINNATI FOUNDATION.

AND THEN I WAS A DOCENT UP AT CINCINNATI ART MUSEUM FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS.

SO I WAS DOING THAT, SORT OF NOT NECESSARILY TOGETHER, BUT AT THE SAME TIME.

KELLAR: YEAH, I WAS IN THE FIRST CLASS OF DOCENTS AT THE TAFT MUSEUM.

LINDA: IS THAT RIGHT?

KELLAR: THEY DIDN'T HAVE DOCENTS BEFORE THAT, AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN OVER 50 YEARS AGO.

LINDA: I WON'T TELL.

KELLAR: DON'T TELL ANYBODY.

YEAH.

WELL, HARRY, TELL US ABOUT SOMETHING.

I WANTED YOU TO FIRST TELL ABOUT THE MERCY SHIPS THAT YOU SUPPORT.

HARRY: SO LET ME BACK UP REAL QUICK.

SO, LINDA AND I, AS THE FUNDS CAME IN, YOU KNOW, YOU ONLY NEED SO MANY THINGS TO LIVE.

AND WE SORT OF HAD OUR BASIC STUFF.

WE LIVED IN OUR HOME IN CINCINNATI FOR 42 YEARS.

OUR COTTAGE IN NORTHERN MICHIGAN IS 42 YEARS OLD.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO HELP ORGANIZATIONS AND WE WERE GIVING MONEY OUT.

AND AS OUR ECONOMICS KEPT GROWING, WE GAVE MORE AND GAVE TO MORE ORGANIZATIONS THAT SO.

AND IT WAS DRIVING ME CRAZY BECAUSE WE BECAME THE PIGGY BANK FOR ALL THESE ORGANIZATIONS.

THEY EXPECTED OUR MONEY EVERY YEAR, AND WE WEREN'T ACCOMPLISHING ANYTHING REALLY.

AND WAS WATCHING 60 MINUTES ONE NIGHT AND WARREN BUFFETT WAS ON.

AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, ABOUT GIVING.

HE SAID, "IF YOU HAVE SOME REAL MONEY, STOP GIVING TO ALL THESE ORGANIZATIONS.

THEY'LL BE FINE WITHOUT YOU.

PICK 3 OR 4 OR 5 AND PULL YOUR MONEY TOGETHER AND MAKE, YOU KNOW, A SIGNIFICANT DONATION THAT WILL CHANGE, CHANGE THAT ORGANIZATION."

SO I SAW THAT AND I WENT, "BINGO.

BINGO."

SO WE CHANGED AND WE DECIDED WE WANT, LIKE THE ZOO HAD $150 MILLION MASTER PLAN.

AND IT WASN'T GOING TO HAPPEN UNLESS THEY GOT A MAJOR FIRST GIFT.

KELLAR: YEAH.

HARRY: BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, IT WAS DOING FINE, BUT THEY REALLY NEEDED TO SERVE OTHER COMMUNITIES.

AND THEY NEEDED, REALLY, A MAJOR, MAJOR GIFT.

THEY'RE BUILDING THREE NEW FACILITIES, RENOVATING THEIR SEVEN OTHER FACILITIES.

AND THEY NEEDED A MAJOR GIFT.

AND THEN WE GET TO MERCY SHIPS.

I ALSO SAW MERCY SHIPS ON 60 MINUTES.

KELLAR: REALLY?

AND THAT'S HOW YOU BECAME INTERESTED?

HARRY: YEAH, WE WERE SO IMPRESSED THAT HERE'S THIS HOSPITAL SHIP SERVING THESE PEOPLE IN AFRICA WHO HAVE NOTHING, AND I MEAN NOTHING.

AND THEY HAVE THESE AWFUL MEDICAL NEEDS.

CLEFT PALATE AND A GROWTH THE SIZE OF A FOOTBALL AND LEGS THAT ARE CROOKED AND THEY'RE BLIND AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS.

SO WE THOUGHT, "WOW, THIS IS REALLY SOMETHING."

AND EVERYONE ON BOARD IS A VOLUNTEER, AND THEY PAY ROOM AND BOARD JUST TO BE A VOLUNTEER.

KELLAR: THE DOCTORS ARE ALSO.

HARRY: EVERYBODY.

LINDA: EVERYBODY.

HARRY: EVERYBODY ON THE SHIP'S A VOLUNTEER.

SO I SENT 100 GRAND TO THE ORGANIZATION THE NEXT MORNING.

AND DON STEVENS, THE FOUNDER, CALLED ME AFTER HE GOT THE MONEY AND HE THANKED ME.

AND I SAID, "WELL, I'M SURE YOU'VE HAD MANY."

HE SAID, "NO, ACTUALLY YOURS IS THE LARGEST."

BUT I WAS SO CURIOUS.

"HOW DO YOU GET FOOD TO THIS THIRD WORLD COUNTRY?"

THEY SERVE 2000 MEALS A DAY.

KELLAR: OH, MY GOSH.

FROM THE SHIP?

LINDA: ON THE SHIP.

HARRY: I SAID, "HOW DO YOU?

I DON'T UNDERSTAND, WHERE DO YOU FIND THESE 400, 600 VOLUNTEERS."

AND I SAID DURING THE CONVERSATION, I SAID, "COULD I COME DOWN AND SEE YOU?"

HE LIVES IN A LITTLE TOWN IN EAST TEXAS.

THE FOUNDER.

AND I SAID, "COULD I COME DOWN AND SPEND THE DAY?"

I WAS JUST CURIOUS.

I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT ANY MORE DONATIONS.

AND WENT DOWN AND SPENT THE DAY WITH THEM.

I WAS JUST OVERWHELMED WITH HOW COMPLICATED.

IT'S LIKE THE NORMANDY INVASION, THE COMPLICATION OF THE LOGISTICS.

AND HE SAID, "WELL, WHY DON'T YOU GO VISIT THE SHIP?"

I WAS KIND OF SCARED ABOUT, "VISIT THE SHIP?

WHAT AM I?"

SO WE WENT AND WE TOOK THANE MAYNARD, OUR ZOO DIRECTOR, WITH US, AND WE WENT AND SAW ALL THIS STUFF FIRSTHAND.

AND I ASKED DON, I SAID, "WHAT'S YOUR DREAM?"

HE SAID, "MY DREAM IS WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A SECOND SHIP THAT COULD GO ON THE EAST SIDE OF AFRICA."

SO I CAME HOME TO LINDA AND I SAID, "YOU KNOW WHAT?

I FOUND A HOME FOR 50 MILLION."

AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID.

SO I CALLED HIM UP AND I SAID, "I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS GIFT."

AND WITH THAT, THEY PARLAYED IT TO 190 MILLION AND BUILT THE SECOND SHIP.

SO THAT SECOND SHIP HAS BEEN IN SERVICE NOW ABOUT 2 YEARS.

AND IT DOCKS.

I THINK IT'S IN SIERRA LEONE RIGHT NOW.

AND THE FIRST SHIP'S IN MADAGASCAR.

AND NOW WE'VE STARTED A THIRD SHIP.

KELLAR: REALLY?

HARRY: YEAH.

AND THE HULL IS BEING PUT TOGETHER AS WE SPEAK.

AND AGAIN, WE'RE RAISING.

AND IT'S REALLY ONE OF THE MOST SATISFYING THINGS WE'VE EVER DONE.

AND DON STEVENS IS THE GREATEST HUMAN I'VE EVER MET.

HE -- IT'S NEVER ABOUT DON.

IF YOU ASK DON, "ARE YOU PROUD OF IT?"

HE'S NOT INTERESTED IN DON.

KELLAR: ACCOLADES, YEAH.

HARRY: HE'D SAY, "YOU KNOW, LAST WEEK WE HAD THIS LITTLE GIRL WITH THIS WHATEVER.

AND WE WERE ABLE TO CORRECT THAT, AND THAT GAVE ME JOY."

AND WE FEEL THE SAME WAY.

THERE'S NO JOY IN GIVING MONEY.

THE JOY IS WHEN BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB HAS THESE 3 FACILITIES BUILT AND THEY HAVE A STAFF THERE, MOST OF THEM ARE VOLUNTEER OR FULL VOLUNTEER.

THEY START HELPING 4-500 KIDS IN THOSE HARD NEIGHBORHOODS.

OKAY?

THAT GIVES YOU GREAT JOY.

SO THAT'S -- LINDA: IT'S A GREAT FEELING TO BE ABLE TO GIVE TO WHAT YOU HAVE.

KELLAR: ABSOLUTELY.

YOU'VE GIVEN TO LOTS OF SCHOOLS.

HARRY: YEAH.

KELLAR: XAVIER HIGH SCHOOL?

HARRY: NOTRE DAME, OF COURSE, WHERE I WENT AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY.

IT'S A VERY SPECIAL PLACE.

THEY TOLERATE NOTHING, PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

THEY TAUGHT ME LEADERSHIP.

THEY TAUGHT ME ABOUT COMPASSION, CARING FOR OTHERS, HUMILITY, COMPASSION AND INTEGRITY.

AND SO I OWE THEM A LOT.

AND ST. XAVIER HIGH SCHOOL.

I WOULDN'T BE HERE TODAY IF IT WASN'T FOR ST. XAVIER HIGH SCHOOL.

SO, AND THEN XAVIER UNIVERSITY, WHERE WE GOT MARRIED AT XAVIER UNIVERSITY.

KELLAR: YOU DID.

HARRY: AND I PLAYED ON ST. X'S FOOTBALL TEAM, AND WE PLAYED OUR GAMES AT XAVIER UNIVERSITY STADIUM.

AND MY FATHER WENT THERE.

SO WE HAVE SOME CONNECTION.

BUT THE BIGGEST PULL FOR ME WAS THAT XAVIER UNIVERSITY IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THIS CITY.

IT'S A FANTASTIC INSTITUTION FOR OUR CITY TO HAVE.

SO ANYTHING THAT MAKES CINCINNATI A BETTER PLACE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE ZOO.

IF YOU CAN CHANGE THE ZOO, THAT WERE IN FAVOR OF.

SO WE DID DO A MAJOR GIFT TO XAVIER UNIVERSITY.

YEAH.

KELLAR: THE ZOO.

YOU -- WHAT DID YOUR MONEY DO THERE?

HARRY: WELL, IT WAS FOR ANYTHING.

I WANTED TO INSPIRE OTHERS.

YOU KNOW, WE DID 50 AND WE RAISED 170.

AND THE ELEPHANT TREK COST 60 MILLION.

IT'S FANTASTIC.

YOU SHOULD GO SEE IT.

WE HAVE EIGHT ELEPHANTS NOW.

WE HOPE TO GET TWO OF THE FEMALES PREGNANT.

AND IT'S LIKE GOING TO AFRICA.

KELLAR: WOW.

HARRY: AND THE POOL FOR ME WAS THAT IT'S A GIFT TO THE CITIZENS OF CINCINNATI BECAUSE THE CITIZENS OF CINCINNATI, YOU GO UP THERE, THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO GO TO A SAFARI.

KELLAR: OH, NO.

HARRY: SO THE ZOO IS THE ONLY PLACE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO SEE ALL THESE DIFFERENT ANIMALS.

THERE'S ANOTHER PROJECT COMING DOWN THE ROAD, A WATER EXHIBIT THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE POLAR BEARS AND OTTERS AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER, $50 MILLION PROJECT.

SO, I MEAN, IT'S, TO ME, IMPORTANT ANYTHING THAT MAKES A CITY A BETTER PLACE.

KELLAR: YEAH.

YEAH.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ALL ABOUT.

HARRY: YEAH.

KELLAR: YEAH.

HARRY: BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT PEOPLE SEE THIS.

THIS MORNING I PUT OUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THINK YOU WANT TO GIVE TO EVERYTHING.

AND IT'S A VERY, VERY SELECT ORGANIZATION.

IT HAS TO BE AN ORGANIZATION THAT'S WELL RUN.

IT HAS TO BE AN ORGANIZATION.

SO YOU ALL LISTENING OUT THERE, THAT'S WELL RUN, HAS A VERY STRONG DONOR BASE, AND WITH A MAJOR FUNDRAISING EFFORT, THEY COULD CHANGE, CHANGE THE WAY THEY OPERATE.

LIKE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, INSTEAD OF SEVEN FACILITIES, TEN FACILITIES, WELL FUNDED, BETTER PROGRAMING, THAT KIND OF THING.

CHANGE, A MAJOR CHANGE.

JUST THIS MORNING, SOMEONE ASKED FOR MONEY, "COULD YOU GIVE 200 GRAND A YEAR FOR 20 YEARS BECAUSE WE DO THINGS FOR KIDS."

WELL, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE OUT ABOUT.

LINDA: WELL, I MEAN, NO ONE CAN DO EVERYTHING.

KELLAR: NO, OF COURSE NOT.

LINDA: I GUESS MOST OF THE BIG THINGS WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN, LIKE HARRY MENTIONED, DON STEVENS FROM MERCY SHIPS BECAME PERSONALLY ACQUAINTED WITH HE AND HIS WIFE, WHO WERE JUST SO SPECIAL.

THANE MAYNARD.

KELLAR: RIGHT.

LINDA: CERTAINLY OTHERS, SO OURS HAS BEEN DIRECTED TO.

I MEAN, I THINK FOUNDATIONS ARE WONDERFUL FOR PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE PERSONALLY INVOLVED, BUT FORTUNATELY, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT.

AND SO, LIKE THE LOUVRE, THE MET, YOU KNOW, JUST PERSONAL ASSOCIATIONS HAVE REALLY PROBABLY MADE THE DIFFERENCE FOR US.

KELLAR: YOU'RE MORE INTERESTED IN THE ARTS.

LINDA: YES, I WOULD SAY.

CORRECT KELLAR: HARRY SAYS, EH.

LINDA: YEAH, RIGHT.

KELLAR: YOU'RE THE ARTS PERSON.

SO THAT'S, YOU MAKE A GREAT PAIR.

LINDA: YEAH, I THINK SO.

WELL, I AS WE WERE TALKING EARLIER, HARRY, YOU SORT OF SUMMED UP YOUR FEELING ABOUT YOU AS INDIVIDUALS AND HOW YOU GIVE VERSUS FOUNDATIONS.

AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS A VERY INTERESTING IDEA.

HARRY: WELL, YOU KNOW, WE WERE INTERVIEWED LAST WEEK AND SOMEONE ASKED ME TO SAY, "WELL, WHAT IS YOUR LEGACY?

WHAT DO YOU WANT YOUR LEGACY?"

WE NEVER THOUGHT -- I SAID, "LEGACY.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY LEGACY.

WE'RE NOT -- WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN LEGACY.

WE DON'T -- YOU KNOW, I SAID, "WHEN WE'RE GONE, IT'S OUT THE DOOR.

IT'S OVER.

AND SO THERE IS NO LEGACY."

I JUST THINK THAT FOUNDATIONS ARE GREAT, AS LINDA POINTED OUT, FOR CERTAIN PEOPLE AND WHATEVER.

AND AND MAYBE IF YOU HAVE $48 BILLION, MAYBE A FOUNDATION IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO.

I DON'T KNOW.

FOR US, WE WOULD LIKE TO HELP THESE ORGANIZATIONS WHILE WE'RE HERE BECAUSE THEY NEED A MASSIVE CHECK, MASSIVE.

LINDA: WE HAVE ASSOCIATION WITH THEM.

AGAIN, IT'S THAT PERSONAL ASSOCIATION I THINK ALSO MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

KELLAR: WE PERSONALLY WANTED TO DO IT WHILE WE WERE ALIVE SO WE CAN SEE THE RESULT.

HARRY: NOT WHILE WE'RE ALIVE, BUT THE FACT THAT IF YOU HAVE A EVEN -- IF YOU HAD 500 MILLION AND YOU HAD A 5% DRAW, THAT'S 25 MILLION A [YEAR, ].

WELL, YOU CAN'T -- YOU CAN'T, UH, RESHAPE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB WITH A $5 MILLION GIFT.

IT HAS TO BE A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, AND ALL THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS I'VE MENTIONED.

SO IT'S BETTER TO TAKE THAT 500 MILLION AND MAYBE DO TEN, $50 MILLION GIFTS.

OKAY?

AND WHERE ARE YOU ABLE TO REALLY CHANGE AN ORGANIZATION.

NOW PEOPLE WATCHING THIS ARE GOING TO SAY, "WELL, WAIT A SECOND.

OKAY.

SO THAT'S THE DEAL.

TO GET TO THE FATHS, WE'VE GOT TO GO OUT AND FIND A $50 MILLION -- BUT THAT'S NOT IT.

KELLAR: THAT'S NOT IT EITHER.

HARRY: IT HAS TO BE AN ORGANIZATION THAT IF WE CAN PARLAY THAT 50 INTO 100 OR 150, THAT THAT ORGANIZATION NEEDS TO IMPROVE.

LIKE CISE, CATHOLIC INNER-CITY SCHOOL EDUCATION, THERE ARE TEN SOON TO BE 11 GRADE SCHOOLS.

OKAY?

WHEN I GOT INVOLVED 40 YEARS AGO, THERE WERE LIKE SEVEN AND THERE WERE LIKE 800 KIDS.

NOW THERE'S 2800 KIDS.

KELLAR: WOW.

HARRY: THERE ARE 14 PRIVATE HIGH SCHOOLS WE NOW, AND THEY NEEDED A MAJOR GIFT, BECAUSE WE NOW ARE -- WE, NOT JUST US, WE AND THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE CONTRIBUTING, WE NOW ARE ABLE TO SAY, "ALL OF THESE KIDS IN THE GRADE SCHOOL WILL HAVE TUITION FOR THEM, IF THEY NEED IT," AND MOST SOME DO.

KELLAR: YEAH.

HARRY: AND WHEN THEY GRADUATE, WE WANT THEM TO GO TO THE PRIVATE HIGH SCHOOL, BECAUSE IF THEY GO INTO THE PUBLIC SCHOOL, WE'LL LOSE THEM.

AND SO THE MONEY'S THERE NOW.

OKAY.

SO THAT'S CHANGING AN ORGANIZATION.

NOW, IF YOU WERE $68 BILLION, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE ANY SENSE.

I MEAN, THEY COULD GIVE ENOUGH MONEY TO FUND IT FOREVER AND EVER, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO BE THE ONLY GIVER.

YOU WANT OTHER PEOPLE TO STEP UP AND CONTRIBUTE TO THIS THING IF THEY REALLY HAVE A COMPASSION ABOUT THIS, THEY SHOULD BE GIVING.

YOU KNOW.

KELLAR: YEAH.

YOU WANT TO INSPIRE OTHER PEOPLE.

HARRY: THAT'S THE WHOLE DEAL.

WE'RE ONLY HERE TODAY.

WE HATE -- WE DON'T LIKE BEING HERE TODAY.

THE ONLY REASON WE'RE HERE IS WE HOPE THERE MIGHT BE SOMEONE OUT THERE THAT WE CAN INSPIRE IF THEY'VE MADE SOME SERIOUS MONEY OR WHATEVER, AND THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT A FOUNDATION, WHY NOT THINKING ABOUT CHANGING AN ORGANIZATION?

LINDA: WHICH IS AN IMPORTANT PART, BUT JUST GIVING IN GENERAL.

IF YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN GIVE $250 OR SOMETHING.

AGAIN, AS YOU SAID BEFORE, IT'S THE GREAT FEELING THAT YOU GET FROM DOING SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO HELP SOMEONE OR AN ORGANIZATION OR WHATEVER.

SO IT'S BOTH FOR THE ORGANIZATION, LIKE HARRY IS SAYING, IF YOU CAN CHANGE IT, OR YOUR OWN SATISFACTION.

IT'S A LITTLE SELFISH, BUT IT HELPS.

KELLAR: OH, I DON'T THINK THAT -- I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S SELFISH AT ALL.

I THINK WANTING TO SEE THE EFFECTS OF YOUR GIFT IS JUST A VERY FINE HUMAN NATURE.

I MEAN, WHO WOULD?

WHY?

I DON'T THINK THAT'S PART A BAD THING AT ALL.

BECAUSE WHEN I GO TO THE BALLET, FOR INSTANCE, AND I CAN SIT THERE AND THINK, "YOU KNOW, I HAD A PART OF THIS SHOW FOR THE SYMPHONY OR THE ART MUSEUM."

LINDA: ABSOLUTELY.

KELLAR: KNOWING YOU HAD A PART OF MAKING THIS GREAT.

LINDA: RIGHT, IT'S A WONDERFUL FEELING.

KELLAR: IS A WONDERFUL FEELING THAT THAT'S THE GRATIFICATION THAT YOU GET.

YOU DON'T NEED THE, OH, YOUR NAME ON THE BUILDING.

YOU DON'T.

YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT.

YOU DON'T NEED YOUR NAME ON THE BUILDING.

YOU DON'T NEED ANOTHER ARTICLE IN THE NEWSPAPER.

BUT YOU DO LIKE TO GO AND SEE WHAT YOU ACCOMPLISHED.

HARRY: YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

KELLAR: AND THAT'S THE JOY OF THE WHOLE THING.

LINDA: YEAH.

HARRY: AND YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST THING I FEEL A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT LINDA JUST SAID.

I JUST FEEL LIKE I HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY.

I'VE BEEN GIVEN SO MUCH.

AND WE IN AMERICA FORGET HOW LUCKY WE ARE.

I MEAN, WITHOUT FREE ENTERPRISE, I'M NOT HERE TODAY.

WITHOUT THE EDUCATION I HAD, I'M NOT.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ACADEMIC PART OF IT.

I'M TALKING ABOUT SAINT X AND NOTRE DAME TEACHING ME PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY AND COMPASSION FOR OTHER PEOPLE.

I JUST FEEL LIKE I HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY WITHIN MY MEANS TO TRY TO HELP AND MAKE IT A BETTER PLACE, WHETHER IT'S IN AFRICA OR WHETHER IT'S IN CINCINNATI OR WHEREVER.

AND I JUST, I WOULD FEEL AWFUL IF I WASN'T DOING THIS.

I DON'T GET ANY JOY ABOUT WRITING THE CHECK.

MOST PEOPLE HATE TO GO BACKWARDS, BUT I DON'T CARE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

I'M A FREE ENTERPRISE.

I MEAN, VALUES GO UP AND DOWN.

I DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT.

I DO LIKE DON SAID, I GET JOY, LIKE YOU SAID, GO TO THE BALLET AND SEE THEM PERFORMING AT A HIGH LEVEL AND KNOWING THAT YOU HAVE A LITTLE PART IN THAT.

KELLAR: EXACTLY.

HARRY: THAT'S THE JOY.

KELLAR: THAT'S THE JOY.

AND YOU GUYS HAVE BROUGHT AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF JOY TO CINCINNATI AND TO THE WORLD.

AND I KNOW THIS IS NOT YOUR THING TO COME, BUT IT DOES INSPIRE OTHER PEOPLE TO THINK, "WELL, MAYBE, HEY, I COULD DO THAT."

AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT.

LINDA: AT WHATEVER LEVEL, YOU KNOW.

KELLAR: YOU'VE TRANSFORMED SO MANY ORGANIZATIONS AND YOU'RE STILL THE SAME TWO PEOPLE THAT YOU ALWAYS.

HARRY: ALL I WANT TO DO IS WATCH MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL TONIGHT.

KELLAR: YES.

OKAY.

AND YOU CAN.

HARRY: NO ONE BOTHER ME.

KELLAR: YOU CAN DO THAT.

AND WE'LL ALL -- BUT WE ALL ARE VERY, VERY GRATEFUL.

THANK YOU FOR COMING.

HARRY: WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

LINDA: IT'S BEEN FUN.

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